Cheap..really cheap. Did I mention it is super accurate? It has not been converted and never will be. These loads have for the most part replaced the heavy and hard hitting 180 grain loadings of old. There is nothing wrong with using .357 cases if you want to maintain the same velocity as a .38 case. This causes the primer to light the top of the powder instead of the back, causing it to detonate instead of burn and resulting in dangerous pressure spikes. My carry gun is a S&W model 19 with a 2½” barrel.

There is even a semi auto or two in the mix. At the time, it was the most powerful handgun round in existence. Aside from your .357 loads, you can fire several others in it, including the .38 Short and Long Colt and the .38 Special. To show you just how versatile this powder is, I wanted to share some load data with you all for some of my “standard loads” (non-magnum). We’ll also cover selecting .357 Mag bullets, shooting the .357, loads for the .357, and some popular .357 Mag guns. Shooting for hits and of course….it is point and shoot not aim and shoot. I did see where these are very slow buring powders hence….heavy bullets and full loads. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Years ago, I did some competing and used a model 19 in .357. Like the ammo, the selection of guns is almost endless. I’ve been using 231 behind cast bullets in .45 ACP and 38 Spl. It shot fairly well but the trigger was horrendous. Please share! Aim and shoot you of course would want 2 inches or less…less is better. Your email address will not be published. but….I wasn’t ready to part with the hundreds and hundreds of dollars. I bet it would work, but I don’t load/shoot 45 LC . New reloader here , looking for data on doing some jacketed 148gr .38 special wadcutters using w231. at 100 yards. That’s handy! It’s a VERY soft and reasonably accurate load. There’s nothing not to like about W231/HP38.

In some instances, it may slide in the case and not produce the best results. In general, many powders will let you scale the charge from the Special case up to the Magnum case. Jeep - I do the same as you. My book doesn’t give me specifics for 148gr jacketed , it does give 146gr jacketed info though. They have a generous limit on deer so he has plenty of opportunities to shoot.

This load gives good penetration and accuracy, so consequently, my friend’s freezer never lacks for venison. This breaks down to $53.04 for a 8lb jeg or $6.63 per pound. A simple rule to consider with reduced loads is; faster powders are forgiving and perform well at lower charge weights ( I also use magnum primers).

If you include a .357 rifle in the mix, then you have a good combo for any task, all the way up to large game hunting. like my Hodgon’s titegroup. Of course, there are more powerful handguns, but they are harder to control. Black powder will jam up a revolver with just a few shots and the velocity will go down. but loading cases too light can also cause the powder level to be below the primer. Since they are so inexpensive, I use a C4 tool and put on a cannelure which makes it a more desirable bullet. I always verify the powder charge after changing the insert and it is always exact to where I have that insert set.

Thanks Gavin! Hunting accuracy is forgiving….one inch or less MOA is honestly not bad howbeit I would not settle for that and I’d be obsessed til I had that rifle accuracy down to well “below” 3/4 MOA. Yes.

They work very well also in Ruger Vaquero and Security 6. don't have the actual numbers at hand right now, but as I've done considerable reloading with these components can comment on results in my own use.... MY experience loading for a Colt Model 3-5-7 with 6" barrel. I saw on another forum that several members routinely use 7.0 grs with 158 gr cast bullets as their standard 357 load with no problems even though this slightly exceeds Winchester's recommendation of 6.7 grs max.

This transition is basically an internal forcing cone but when you look in the chambers, it looks like a crud ring. Always cross-reference with manufacturer’s load data. Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts 357 mag with Winchester 231. SOLD: Winchester Wrangler, Ruger sp101, Winchester Mod 70 compact. It is a good overall powder and very utility. And bedding. Heavier bullets can also be used, but a lot of velocity will be sacrificed. I've tried the SWC light load thing in .357 Magnum brass, trying to duplicate .38 Special target loads. I have found both scales to be accurate and reliable to within 1/10 of a grain as advertised. Many people I trained cut their teeth with this load ... a real confidence builder! Came across a hp 38 load for .38 special. Some years ago I had a COP, a 4 barrel Derringer. May sound dumb but my concern is to much empty space in the cartridge. Sometimes the bullet will fold over which acts as a conventional bullet. They shot ok but nothing like the button nose. No idea about inventory though. A database of .357 Magnum handloads. While not nearly as experienced with rifle powders as pistol I have been delighted to find both the performance through my AR, M1A and even my M1 Garand to be more than adequate for my purposes with accuracy better than my old Marine eyes and metering properties I like. Both take a lot of time, and there is the initial investment in the tooling.

If you have access to cheap lead then you can cast your bullets for almost nothing. I use a Dillon powder measure for progressive loading and a Lee Perfect Powder Measure for manual drop loads. Slower, traditional magnum powders are less to unforgiving when loaded light. Palmettostatearmory. My load was 4.5 grains of 231 behind a 130 gr Hensley & Gibbs SWC bullet. Older sources list a charge range of 6.0gr to 6.7gr W231 under a 158gr SWC. Material connection (partnerships) information available at http://ultimatereloader.com/about/. Loading 9mm on the Dillon RL 1100 with Mr. Bullet Feeder, Breaking: Hodgdon Powder Company Acquires Multiple Brands, Unsolved: 44 Magnum Over-Pressure Mystery, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part II: Setup and Maintenance, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part I: Theory of Operation, Reloading Safety: Powder Check Systems Overview. I was tempted to buy a years worth of each of the above named powders (TiteGroup/TiteWad/Unique/ + BLC 2!!) I agree W231 has it's limitations on magnum calibers, that's why I use 3 powders mostly. I love the concept and have been trying to find a way to incorporate it in my loading/reloading. Handgun calibers range from 7 MM TCU to the .500 S&W Magnum. 11 FS Accurate No. Blue Dot at times. In contrast both powder measures depend on the type and coarseness of the powder used for their accuracy. For the load, I use either a Hornady or Sierra 158 grain flat nose with a good dose of 2400. However I will admit….those 30 Herrets with duplex loads kicked our hinny’s! A database of .357 Magnum handloads. Always cross-reference load data with manufacturer's published data. Dale Swanson North Las Vegas, NV. Lead loads listed by Hodgdon are all downloded to cowboy action levels which is a very mild target level. . Need your help - which deer rifle: Savage 99c, Winchester 88, or Winchester 100?

These loads run between 830 to 900 fps from my 4" revolvers depending upon the gun and primer used. In addition, you will notice a very significant difference between the handgun and rifle loads, especially with the heavier loads. JavaScript is disabled. Had an opportunity to buy TiteGroup and TiteWad…but I had prior commitment/s. Accuracy was excellent while keeping recoil down and it gave enough velocity to be useful out to 50 yards. Yes, you can make reduced loads that use a .357 case but you cannot simply use 38 Special data in magnum cases and achieve the published velocity. My favorite load in a .38 case was 4.5 grains of 231 with a Hensley & Gibbs 130 grain SWC.

Member Join Date: Feb 2013. I guess nowadays…it is getting down to what you can find powder wise and I do want to try other powders. It was tedious dropping each powder in single mode on a progressive press and then weighing each one, then repeating each test on a manual drop measure to be weighed again on two different scales and recorded. It has been shot more times than I can think of and it is still tight and smooth. I use their brass for forming other calibers and it works better than anything else. JHP (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), SP=Soft Point, (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .357 Magnum: … The insert makes the powder charge change over very easy and is very repeatable. I am interested in Bullseye, Unique, and 2400, in magnum cases. So I knew who did duplex load and competed several slots away. I have found success with CFE-223 and Bullseye so far but that’s it as for single powder use but not for same grain weight loads across multiple platforms. John. Elmer, Alliant Reloader 33 was designed for the 338 lapua. Note that .38 Special ammunition can also be used in the .357 Magnum.

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357 magnum load data 231

296 for this application.

Info would be appreciated…need small container/s of powder too. JHP, 125 gr.

However, the .357 is still a popular and potent round. Well…I guess I was in the gamling mood this morning…tried to find and did find some info on the web about using surplus powders that Widener’s got in. The .357 Mag is one of the most flexible handgun rounds. A percentage of those 38 Special cartridges were fired in .357 Magnum chambers. WW 231 is not a .357 Magnum powder. It was still alittle spooky.

With the LCR it's strictly D/A only. One great example for pistol loaders is Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38 (the same powder branded differently). Win 231, Starline .357 Magnum brass & CCI small pistol primer: can't speak for others, but I've NEVER had any significant advantage with bevel base over plain base....other than ease of inserting prior to setting into case at loading station.... Am I misreading, or does the attached data show 6.7 (not 5.7) of 231, under a lead 158 bullet? In a pinch, the .38 Super can be fired through a .357 Mag, however that is not recommended on a regular basis. Google Alliant Reloader 33 for more info, I want to load up a batch of 240 jhp -for my 29 s&w 6″ 44 magnum You can make lots of powders work for "efficiency" at the loading bench, in terms of stretching less than optimum powders across a number of calibers.

Cheap..really cheap. Did I mention it is super accurate? It has not been converted and never will be. These loads have for the most part replaced the heavy and hard hitting 180 grain loadings of old. There is nothing wrong with using .357 cases if you want to maintain the same velocity as a .38 case. This causes the primer to light the top of the powder instead of the back, causing it to detonate instead of burn and resulting in dangerous pressure spikes. My carry gun is a S&W model 19 with a 2½” barrel.

There is even a semi auto or two in the mix. At the time, it was the most powerful handgun round in existence. Aside from your .357 loads, you can fire several others in it, including the .38 Short and Long Colt and the .38 Special. To show you just how versatile this powder is, I wanted to share some load data with you all for some of my “standard loads” (non-magnum). We’ll also cover selecting .357 Mag bullets, shooting the .357, loads for the .357, and some popular .357 Mag guns. Shooting for hits and of course….it is point and shoot not aim and shoot. I did see where these are very slow buring powders hence….heavy bullets and full loads. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Years ago, I did some competing and used a model 19 in .357. Like the ammo, the selection of guns is almost endless. I’ve been using 231 behind cast bullets in .45 ACP and 38 Spl. It shot fairly well but the trigger was horrendous. Please share! Aim and shoot you of course would want 2 inches or less…less is better. Your email address will not be published. but….I wasn’t ready to part with the hundreds and hundreds of dollars. I bet it would work, but I don’t load/shoot 45 LC . New reloader here , looking for data on doing some jacketed 148gr .38 special wadcutters using w231. at 100 yards. That’s handy! It’s a VERY soft and reasonably accurate load. There’s nothing not to like about W231/HP38.

In some instances, it may slide in the case and not produce the best results. In general, many powders will let you scale the charge from the Special case up to the Magnum case. Jeep - I do the same as you. My book doesn’t give me specifics for 148gr jacketed , it does give 146gr jacketed info though. They have a generous limit on deer so he has plenty of opportunities to shoot.

This load gives good penetration and accuracy, so consequently, my friend’s freezer never lacks for venison. This breaks down to $53.04 for a 8lb jeg or $6.63 per pound. A simple rule to consider with reduced loads is; faster powders are forgiving and perform well at lower charge weights ( I also use magnum primers).

If you include a .357 rifle in the mix, then you have a good combo for any task, all the way up to large game hunting. like my Hodgon’s titegroup. Of course, there are more powerful handguns, but they are harder to control. Black powder will jam up a revolver with just a few shots and the velocity will go down. but loading cases too light can also cause the powder level to be below the primer. Since they are so inexpensive, I use a C4 tool and put on a cannelure which makes it a more desirable bullet. I always verify the powder charge after changing the insert and it is always exact to where I have that insert set.

Thanks Gavin! Hunting accuracy is forgiving….one inch or less MOA is honestly not bad howbeit I would not settle for that and I’d be obsessed til I had that rifle accuracy down to well “below” 3/4 MOA. Yes.

They work very well also in Ruger Vaquero and Security 6. don't have the actual numbers at hand right now, but as I've done considerable reloading with these components can comment on results in my own use.... MY experience loading for a Colt Model 3-5-7 with 6" barrel. I saw on another forum that several members routinely use 7.0 grs with 158 gr cast bullets as their standard 357 load with no problems even though this slightly exceeds Winchester's recommendation of 6.7 grs max.

This transition is basically an internal forcing cone but when you look in the chambers, it looks like a crud ring. Always cross-reference with manufacturer’s load data. Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts 357 mag with Winchester 231. SOLD: Winchester Wrangler, Ruger sp101, Winchester Mod 70 compact. It is a good overall powder and very utility. And bedding. Heavier bullets can also be used, but a lot of velocity will be sacrificed. I've tried the SWC light load thing in .357 Magnum brass, trying to duplicate .38 Special target loads. I have found both scales to be accurate and reliable to within 1/10 of a grain as advertised. Many people I trained cut their teeth with this load ... a real confidence builder! Came across a hp 38 load for .38 special. Some years ago I had a COP, a 4 barrel Derringer. May sound dumb but my concern is to much empty space in the cartridge. Sometimes the bullet will fold over which acts as a conventional bullet. They shot ok but nothing like the button nose. No idea about inventory though. A database of .357 Magnum handloads. While not nearly as experienced with rifle powders as pistol I have been delighted to find both the performance through my AR, M1A and even my M1 Garand to be more than adequate for my purposes with accuracy better than my old Marine eyes and metering properties I like. Both take a lot of time, and there is the initial investment in the tooling.

If you have access to cheap lead then you can cast your bullets for almost nothing. I use a Dillon powder measure for progressive loading and a Lee Perfect Powder Measure for manual drop loads. Slower, traditional magnum powders are less to unforgiving when loaded light. Palmettostatearmory. My load was 4.5 grains of 231 behind a 130 gr Hensley & Gibbs SWC bullet. Older sources list a charge range of 6.0gr to 6.7gr W231 under a 158gr SWC. Material connection (partnerships) information available at http://ultimatereloader.com/about/. Loading 9mm on the Dillon RL 1100 with Mr. Bullet Feeder, Breaking: Hodgdon Powder Company Acquires Multiple Brands, Unsolved: 44 Magnum Over-Pressure Mystery, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part II: Setup and Maintenance, RCBS Lock-Out Die Part I: Theory of Operation, Reloading Safety: Powder Check Systems Overview. I was tempted to buy a years worth of each of the above named powders (TiteGroup/TiteWad/Unique/ + BLC 2!!) I agree W231 has it's limitations on magnum calibers, that's why I use 3 powders mostly. I love the concept and have been trying to find a way to incorporate it in my loading/reloading. Handgun calibers range from 7 MM TCU to the .500 S&W Magnum. 11 FS Accurate No. Blue Dot at times. In contrast both powder measures depend on the type and coarseness of the powder used for their accuracy. For the load, I use either a Hornady or Sierra 158 grain flat nose with a good dose of 2400. However I will admit….those 30 Herrets with duplex loads kicked our hinny’s! A database of .357 Magnum handloads. Always cross-reference load data with manufacturer's published data. Dale Swanson North Las Vegas, NV. Lead loads listed by Hodgdon are all downloded to cowboy action levels which is a very mild target level. . Need your help - which deer rifle: Savage 99c, Winchester 88, or Winchester 100?

These loads run between 830 to 900 fps from my 4" revolvers depending upon the gun and primer used. In addition, you will notice a very significant difference between the handgun and rifle loads, especially with the heavier loads. JavaScript is disabled. Had an opportunity to buy TiteGroup and TiteWad…but I had prior commitment/s. Accuracy was excellent while keeping recoil down and it gave enough velocity to be useful out to 50 yards. Yes, you can make reduced loads that use a .357 case but you cannot simply use 38 Special data in magnum cases and achieve the published velocity. My favorite load in a .38 case was 4.5 grains of 231 with a Hensley & Gibbs 130 grain SWC.

Member Join Date: Feb 2013. I guess nowadays…it is getting down to what you can find powder wise and I do want to try other powders. It was tedious dropping each powder in single mode on a progressive press and then weighing each one, then repeating each test on a manual drop measure to be weighed again on two different scales and recorded. It has been shot more times than I can think of and it is still tight and smooth. I use their brass for forming other calibers and it works better than anything else. JHP (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), SP=Soft Point, (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .357 Magnum: … The insert makes the powder charge change over very easy and is very repeatable. I am interested in Bullseye, Unique, and 2400, in magnum cases. So I knew who did duplex load and competed several slots away. I have found success with CFE-223 and Bullseye so far but that’s it as for single powder use but not for same grain weight loads across multiple platforms. John. Elmer, Alliant Reloader 33 was designed for the 338 lapua. Note that .38 Special ammunition can also be used in the .357 Magnum.

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